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There's growing interest in seeing the Congress forgo its scheduled August recess, if necessary, to continue work on health care reform legislation. Mcjoan's been talking about it. House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-SC-06) has been talking about it. Now it's your turn to talk about it.

And in fact, many of you already are, thanks to efforts here like those from slinkerwink, who's been pointing you to a petition drive at Firedoglake asking for exactly that: for Congress to stay in session and get this job done.

Now, I'm not a big petition fan, myself. And there's a pretty good chance that Congress will ultimately decline to deliver on the specifics demanded by this petition, as they do with so many others. And we can debate all day, any day, about just how beholden they should be to the thousands of petitions of varying degrees of merit directed their way every day. We can even debate whether or not "recess" is really as much of a "vacation" as people like to make it out to be when they're getting hot and bothered about it.

But when there's even the slightest foot in the door, where members are saying, "Make me do it," and the legislation is this important...

And when industry opponents of meaningful reform are poised to spend millions bombarding members and the public with attack ads during the recess...

And when industry lobbyists are poised to spend millions more in campaign contributions meant to steer members' votes toward sympathy with the business side of health care, necessarily to the detriment of the people side of health care...

And when every day of delay means more momentum lost...

And when three weeks of delay means:

...then it's worth taking a shot. Don't you think?

And no, this petition doesn't have to result in the immediate abandonment of the recess and the sudden passage of everyone's dream bill overnight. It doesn't even have to "work" to work. Congress may very well go home for August without having finished the job. But that just means they'll be back home... where you are.

And if you've asked them to stay and do this work, and instead they leave it on the table but come back to where you can reach them, and where you can visit their offices, and where you can see them at county fairs, town hall meetings, fire station openings, and all the things they've come back home to do...

And if, when you see them, your demand that they stay in DC to finish this work is top-of-mind, well then, you're in a position to let them know it.

This petition may not force anyone to stay in DC. But signing on means members can expect many thousands more citizens to actively be ready and waiting for their arrival home, to give them a piece of their minds.

So why not sign on, make yourself ready, and let your representatives in Congress know it?

Click here to add your name.

You'll be glad you did. And if you're lucky, so will your members of Congress. If you're not so lucky, well, why not take a minute to make your members of Congress sorry you did? Everyone involved deseres to see your name on this petition.

UPDATE: Yes, I'm aware of what Harry Reid just said. The Senate lives in its own world, and they're gonna do what they're gonna do. The House can change the dynamics of the world the Senate faces when they return by staying in and finishing their work. And you can change the dynamics of the Senate's world, too, by getting on their backs and staying on them.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:46 AM PDT.

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    •  Obama rejects delay (13+ / 0-)

      From CNN:

      Reid's announcement did not change Obama's timetable, according to a senior administration official. The president still wants the House and Senate to vote before the August recess.

      What I wouldn't give to hear the next conversation between Reid and Obama....

      The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

      by fladem on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:07:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  And let's wait to hear what he says in 15 minutes (7+ / 0-)

        He's at a high school here in Cleveland and will do a town-hall style meeting.  My DH is there now.  Will be interesting to see if Obama responds in any way to Reid's announcement.

        •  I think rushing this would be a HUGE mistake.. (0+ / 0-)

          And make no mistake about it, there are powerful Democrats just as there are Republicans who would like this process to fail, they just can't say that.

          But, I don't think that either party would get away with that because the situation is out of control both access/health wise and cost wise..

          We will just keep forcing them to go back to the issue again and again until they get it right.

          The more we all know about these issues, the better we will do on reform.

          Why not single payer? you know -its our only shot at REAL affordability and universality.. why are they blowing it? Why the lies?

          by Andiamo on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:28:16 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Unfortunately, this only helps the special (2+ / 0-)

            interest groups kill it.  The momentum is there now, and delay will only water it down more, not improve it.

            The most violent element in society is ignorance.

            by Mr MadAsHell on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:33:59 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Delay is not our friend (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              heavysole, VA Breeze

              An imperfect bill can be tuned but dragging things out can lead to no bill at all.  For example, some major calamity (e.g., 9/11) could come up and take all the momentum.  Then you would hear that these well-paid, well-insured Congressmen would like to take up healthcare reform, but "national security" issues have to take the forefront, etc.  Or maybe one of Obama's appointees will self-destruct somehow and weaken his hand (e.g., think something like pseudo-governor Sanford).  That's why the GOP and the crypto-corporatist DINOs are hoping for; they know they can't win, so they're desparately looking for someway to avoid the issue.

              --- Obama: combines the intellect of Bill Clinton and the decency of Jimmy Carter—it's good to have a thoughtful non-cynic in the White House!

              by KingBolete on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:54:37 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  HARRY REID IS NOT OUR FRIEND (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                heavysole, RainShadow

                Harry says he 'wants to get it right" but he is NOT talking about any healthcare reform bill!  what Harry wants to 'get right' is his own damn re-election and he must feel that he will lose his senate seat if healthcare goes through by august!!!

                Harry reid is and has been part of the problem ...  for years he has bent over backwards to insure that the BUSH agenda never ever got meaningfully challenged or stopped or even questioned and definitely NEVER investigated!

                Harry reid has got to go... if not from the senate then at least from the MAJORITY LEADERS CHAIR

                Harry is not leading 'the majority' he is bending over for the republicans and helping them to continue to thwart the real change we worked so hard to get going!

                HARRY REID - just another enemy of change

                "in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." mark twain

                by KnotIookin on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 12:22:12 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

          •  Andiamo, will you please get over it. (0+ / 0-)

            We'll be lucky if there is a valid public option.  There is NOT going to be single payer this time around.  I have told you before, baby steps.  We take what we can get and work in the future to get what we want.

            Indict, convict, imprison. "Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

            by incognita on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 12:26:03 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  except the problem is that they wont.. (0+ / 0-)

              >"We'll be lucky if there is a valid public option."

              We sure would be but I fear that we won't get it because they can't do it, nomatter how much they want to.

              This is not some joke. I am not a wayward child. Their plan is to hijack this country's future.

              People are dying. Do most people realize that there is no way that public option can make healthcare affordable? No.

              Thats our fault. They wont forgive us for this. Is that "our" plan?  Or somebody else's?

              We struggle for an end to 101,000 needless deaths a year and for parity with other developed nations on health outcomes. Single Payer Works!

              by Andiamo on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 06:10:36 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

      •  The president still "wants" (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        heavysole

        is simply not good enough. He has to demand it. Can he?

        They don't win until we give up.

        by irmaly on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:26:22 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Yes, he can. Article 2 Section 3 (3+ / 0-)

          He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

          If he's serious, that is.

          Crush the Horror.

          by JesseCW on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:37:31 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  From What I've Read (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          RainShadow

          They need only 51 votes via Reconciliation.

          That's it.

          it's time to pull out the big guns and push the bill through, with or without the blue dogs and any Republicans.  It can be fine-tuned as we move along.

          We've been talking about overhauling health care for 60 years, now is the time and sending the bill through is not "rushing" it, it's keeping a promise to America.

          Obama still has captial, now is the time to spend it.

          Do I look like a scab? No? Then quit picking on me!

          by heavysole on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 12:55:56 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Reid is a leader in name only. (1+ / 0-)
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        incognita

        Could he ever inspire anyone alive to follow him?  Or could he ever discover a path worthy of following?  Does this man believe in anything other than getting elected?  It's at times such as this that I wish Lyndon Johnson were alive.

        •  Reid is a pea in the pod (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          MazeDancer

          The Senate is a very strange place; if they made them check their egos at the door, they could get by with a much smaller chamber.  Ego is probably the one thing that will keep the filibuster forever: it gives any small group of Senators the chance to be the center of the Senate universe—and to them the Senate is already the center of the universe, if not the entire thing.

          --- Obama: combines the intellect of Bill Clinton and the decency of Jimmy Carter—it's good to have a thoughtful non-cynic in the White House!

          by KingBolete on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:57:50 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  My Email to Harry Reid (15+ / 0-)

      America needs a strong PUBLIC OPTION health plan, open to everyone with no triggers and no handicaps.

      I have worked and voted for Democrats all my life.

      We NEED to fix health care now.  If Republicans were working in good faith to fix health care, it would be wise to go slow, but they are not working in good faith.

      They will NEVER agree to a plan that might work, not now and not in the fall.   Democrats need to stand up and do this.   We need it now.  Do it now.   No vacations, no recess.

      My sister in law has cancer and has lost her job and insurance.   Why does she have to wait?

      Even though they are sick, we are depending on Robert Byrd and Teddy Kennedy to vote for a Dem plan.

      Can you guarantee they will be alive in thirty days?

      Don't waste this chance.  Stay in session.  Tell the Repubs to go home if they want.  Work this out and get it done.

      Thanks!

      Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

      by bobtmn on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:10:21 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Very well put (7+ / 0-)

        I'm going to call his office right now.

        We all don't start with zero

        by BeeClone on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:13:51 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Best Wishes For A Speedy Recovery (3+ / 0-)

        To your sister-in-law............

        •  Thanks! (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          MCMetal

          Her prognosis is not good, unfortunately.   I know she doesn't read KOS, so she won't recognize my user name or her story.   She would not want anyone feeling sorry for her.    I want to fill it in because it adds one more human face to this whole tragedy.    

          When she was first diagnosed, she had an operation that removed lots of her intestines and parts of surrounding organs.  

          With the best health care, she will get targeted radiation and chemo, and operations that will remove the cancers when they pop up.  She could live another ten years.  Maybe more.   She is 60.

          With no health care, or bad health care, she has 1-3 years.

          She owns her home, but had taken out a mortgage a couple years ago to fix and modernize all the windows and mechanical systems.     She has two adopted kids, young adults now,  that she would like to be able to help with education expenses.   That will have to go.

          She is the kindest and most generous person I have ever known.   I saw her last thanksgiving, and we got to talking about purpose in life.  She said that her purpose was to make other people happy.  I thought at first she was joking, but when I looked at her I knew she was serious.     She said that it makes her feel good, and there is always a way to achieve it.

          Right now, she is feeling good, her chemo is working.  She wants to find another job with health care.   Not much chance for a 60 year old who tires easily and looks sick.

          The family has told her to get out her credit cards, travel the world and do whatever she wants as long as she is healthy enough.   In the end, she will have to go broke anyway.  There is no sense in working or trying to protect her home or her credit rating.   She is going to die broke and on medicaid.  

          This is what it means to be sick in America.

          Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

          by bobtmn on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 12:35:14 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Don't forget to push your own Senators. (2+ / 0-)

        I just pushed Schumer and Gillibrand.

        Here's what I sent Chuck Schumer:

        Senator Harry Reid has just announced that, as an accommodation to the Republican enemies of Health Insurance Reform, he will be delaying all votes on the President's Health Care Reform by three weeks.

        Please tell your friend Leader Reid what this delay will result in:

           143,250 Americans will lose their health insurance coverage

           53,507 Americans will file for bankruptcy because they can't pay their medical bills

           and 1,265 Americans will die unnecessarily!

        This delay is unacceptable.  Senator Reid's continued pandering to the Republican enemies of Health Insurance Reform is unacceptable.

        More and more, I see Senator Reid as an enemy of progress, and I wonder at your continued support for his leadership.

        If you care at all about the health and welfare of your constituents, you must insist that the Senate stay in session with no recess until the Senate passes President Obama's health insurance reform plan.  

        "The anti-patriotism of the American Right is becoming eerily reminiscent of the French Right of the 1930s." -- Steve LaBonne

        by tbetz on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:27:01 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  What about this insane FIREWALL? (0+ / 0-)

        They are trying to weasel out of any real change at all.

        Why not single payer? you know -its our only shot at REAL affordability and universality.. why are they blowing it? Why the lies?

        by Andiamo on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:30:07 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  seems a little late (8+ / 0-)

    given harry's statement.

    i used to like harry reid, now i really can't stand the guy.

    First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win - Gandhi

    by mysticlaker on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:48:10 AM PDT

  •  Healthcare reform is job one. (13+ / 0-)

    They have no excuses with 60 Dems in the senate.  

  •  Get this job done? Too Late ... (5+ / 0-)

    ... Harry Reid just killed it.

    If only we were done with Harry Reid.

  •  What if the Insurance Companies were Muslim?? (8+ / 0-)

    Then would everyone call them terrorists?

    Just wondering what the rules are here....
    More people die each year at the hands of Insurance Companies, than ever were killed by a foreign terrorist.

    _________________
    "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
    people of good conscience to remain silent."
         --Thomas Jefferson

    by FreeSociety on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:49:47 AM PDT

  •  Thank God Fire Departments are "Government Run" (10+ / 0-)

    Could you imagine the mayhem if a bunch of insurance companies controlled them?  If your house was on fire, first they'd make sure your premiums were up to date, then they'd try to shift the responsibility to someone else, finally, when all that was left was your chimney, they'd claim your faulty wiring was a pre-existing condition and refuse your claim.

  •  Speaking as someone (17+ / 0-)

    whose last vacation was April, 2007, I don't think it would be too much of a sacrifice on the part of Congress.

  •  I just got a breaking (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    slinkerwink, Pris from LA, MCMetal

    email from NYT saying no vote before Aug recess.
    President Obama must be pissed!

  •  TIME FOR NEW "LEADERSHIP" (5+ / 0-)

    you know, people that can actually tell people you will do this or else....

    I'm Here From The American News Media and Vow to Give You Worthless News

    by hopalong on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:52:15 AM PDT

  •  Both Houses Are Giving Up and Going Home (7+ / 0-)

    The only hope now is for Obama to use his Constitutional authority to force both of them into special session.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:52:37 AM PDT

  •  Please explain this to me. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pris from LA, QuestionAuthority

    How will a delay in signing whatever legislation is passed effect the timetable for implementation.

    But no one takes comedians seriously, the real comedy takes place in the Senate. (Rebo, Penn Jillete, Babylon 5, Day of the Dead)

    by Tomtech on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:52:40 AM PDT

  •  Thank you, KagroX! (5+ / 0-)

    I'm not going to give up on this--no, no, no, not by a long shot.

    I'm on Twitter. I'm also a part of the FDL team on health reform.

    by slinkerwink on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:53:12 AM PDT

    •  Just faxed Asshole Reid (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      slinkerwink

      for all the good it will do.

      They don't win until we give up.

      by irmaly on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:00:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  slink (3+ / 0-)

      we need to regroup. IMO, we need to collect as much $$ as possible, find someone who can cut some really good TV/radio, and hit every blue dog and Baucus committee member over the break.

      Let's not talk about the public option. Let's talk about how evil the insurance companies are and how much that particular rep/senator is taking from the insurance lobbyists. Then mention that during the time s/he went home to collect a bit more money and eat BBQ while x more people lose their insurance.

      This should be the gist of the ads.

      We can change the debate, but we are going to have to get out there on the airwaves.

      They don't win until we give up.

      by irmaly on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:18:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  It Took 6 Months for Congress to Quit on the (7+ / 0-)

    President of the new politics of their own party. Is that a result yet?

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:53:43 AM PDT

  •  And health ins. costs hurt small businesses (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pris from LA, JC from IA, rk2

    and the self employed.

    If you don't know history, you don't know anything. You're a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree. ~Michael Crichton, Timeline

    by Leslie H on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:54:42 AM PDT

    •  As a self-employed person (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Leslie H, Pris from LA

      hear, hear!  

      Remember: That which does not kill you only makes your insurance premiums go higher.

      by smileycreek on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:23:00 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Job lock... (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Leslie H, JesseCW

        ...is good for business. Big business. Job lock is keeping people in leg-irons, tied to their jobs, dreaming of the entrepreneurial dreams they can never pursue because THEY NEED THEIR GODDAMN HEALTH INSURANCE.

        Don't you realize how PRIVATE, EMPLOYER-BASED HEALTH INSURANCE IS UNAMERICAN?

        Single Payer Happy Hour, returning to the LA (SFV) area 7/31/09!
        No more SPECIAL RIGHTS for HETEROSEXUALS! Equality now!

        by Pris from LA on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:31:09 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  It is un-American. It stifles competition. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Pris from LA

          In many cases it kills competition. Level the health care & insurance cost playing field and we'll see a renaissance in small business growth, innovation and profitability.

          If you don't know history, you don't know anything. You're a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree. ~Michael Crichton, Timeline

          by Leslie H on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 01:36:06 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Signed! (5+ / 0-)

    Vacations should be rewards for hard work and a job well done not excuses to avoid making tough decisions.

    http://www.projectposner.org/

    by Common Cents on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:55:02 AM PDT

  •  Obama better get Reid and Pelosi in a room and (16+ / 0-)

    rip them a new one and demand that they stay and work it out.

    He's in charge. Period.

    This is political suicide by the Democratic Party. And open defiance of their President.

    They go on vacation while Americans suffer and health care reform dies.

    Only James Clyburn has it right.

    Obama MUST step it up. He's getting rolled by Reid and Pelosi and Baucus and Nelson. Inexcusable.

  •  This issue has jumped the Shark (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pris from LA, coffejoe

    I've said it before. Time to regroup and rebadge. We are threatening the feasability of the rest of the President's term in office. This may not be a popular opinion, but sometimes its better to lose a fight and win another day.

    Don't drink and blog

    by c2olgos2 on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:58:59 AM PDT

  •  With "Leaders" Like Harry Reid (13+ / 0-)

    Who needs Republican obstruction ?

  •  Time For Obama To "Pull A Bush" (6+ / 0-)

    and sign an executive order negating any Congressional Insurance paid for by the American Taxpayers.

    I'm Here From The American News Media and Vow to Give You Worthless News

    by hopalong on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:00:54 AM PDT

  •  Too late. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pris from LA, MCMetal

    I hear congress has already bought their tickets to Argentina because they "...feel that excitement of possibly finding their soul mates."

    Only dead fish go with the flow.

    by dov12348 on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:01:15 AM PDT

  •  Signed the petition and wrote this: (5+ / 0-)

    We, the citizens of the country you were elected to serve and represent, have told you very clearly that we want health care reform.  This is not "feel good" legislation that can with until a better time.  This is an emergency waiting to happen-- YOU have the ability to fix the situation.  Waiting until after your break will not help-- it will just assure that the problem is that much larger.  More people will have lost their insurance, gone into debt to pay for necessary care, or died because lack of coverage often means no access to medical services.

    Elections have consequences... people are fond of saying that.  It is supposed to mean that agendas change and things get done.  So... accomplish this-- it is one of the things that the voting public makes clear that it wants.  It IS that important.

    Our country can survive war, disease, and poverty... what it cannot do without is justice.

    by mommyof3 on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:01:19 AM PDT

  •  What Obama should do, per LBJ (8+ / 0-)

    Here is what I think Obama should do. Call all the blue dog democrats into his office. Present each one with a piece of paper that shows how much federal stimulus money just went to his district. Say gentlemen, I want your vote on the health care reform bill. I understand people like Michael Steele and Jim de Mint are urging you to vote against it. The next time you want federal funding in your district, you ask Jim de Mint for it.  But for now, I am the side your bread is buttered on and I want your vote.  Now.  Clear?

    This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone will be proud of us.

    by marthature on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:01:19 AM PDT

  •  slight tangent (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    slinkerwink, irmaly, Pris from LA

    I keep a column open on Tweetdeck for a live search for "Health Bill"

    Currently the anti's are outcommenting our side at a rate of about 10 to 1 and have been since the beginning.

    Many here will not understand the significance of this but it is huge - we need to be much more active on every single front.

  •  With each passing day (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    QuestionAuthority, coffejoe

    this is getting less likely.

    The idea was to flood the zone and limit the ability of the GOP to rally opposition to any one proposal.

    The GOP has successfully crippled that strategy.

    It is hard not to be extremely depressed about this.

    The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

    by fladem on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:02:26 AM PDT

  •  If They Don't (0+ / 0-)

    Get 'er Done, we Demand that they and All federal Employee's Loose their Health Coverage, i.e. We Refuse To Foot The Bill and No Raises so they can purchase on their own, thus skirting the Demand!!

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:02:32 AM PDT

  •  Here's the reason I gave: (5+ / 0-)

    Because every day of delay means more opportunity to for opponents to weaken the bill.  Because everyday more people will lose their health, lose their homes, lose their lives because they've lost coverage.

    BECAUSE IT'S TIME FOR CONGRESS TO LISTEN TO VOTERS FOR A CHANGE.

    They only call it Class War when we fight back.

    by lineatus on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:05:04 AM PDT

  •  Special Session (8+ / 0-)

    Fuck Harry Reid. Obama needs to call for a special session - no vacation for these bastards until we get a vote.

  •  What to do to the Blue Dogs on vacation (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pris from LA

    I posted this last night.

    This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone will be proud of us.

    by marthature on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:06:37 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for writing...I have made the daily calls (2+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA, smileycreek

    from Slinkerwinks diary, called the local and national offices of my Wa State congressional delegation, signed the petition,and donated to the FDL account in support of our health care activists.
    I wish I could do more....at the very least I can continue to educate myself, so I can be a more informed advocate. Your writing helps me do so. Thank you again.      

    Love is the lasting legacy of our lives

    by princesspat on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:06:46 AM PDT

  •  Tell Congress it's fine for them to take a break (3+ / 0-)
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    irmaly, Pris from LA, MariaWr

    without passing health care reform, if and only if, they drop their own health care benefits until the job is done.

  •  Done (0+ / 0-)

    I am fortunate to have worked since 1981 for a former Brit that not only provides health care option but profit sharing. Others should have the same option as me and that "chick magnet" Shelley Capito, part of the Palin Truth Squad. I know where Jay Rock is on this.

    Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices--François-Marie Arouet

    by CA Berkeley WV on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:07:23 AM PDT

  •  I know why they lie... (1+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA

    Greed, graft and politics... Link

  •  Off Subject (0+ / 0-)

    But the Funeral for Uncle Walter has just started, this link is the CNN feed!

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:08:21 AM PDT

  •  Disheartened and demoralized (7+ / 0-)

    that pretty much sums up my mood right now. Fuck congress for screwing us over yet again. We have the most pathetic bunch of elected officials (save for a scant few)
    Yesterday I was reading how the MN delegation had banded together to demand change on medicare rates in MN and had stated that they would not allow the passage of any health care bill until this was resolved. Fuck that too, because if everyone starts pulling that kind of crap, we may as well wave goodbye to any chance of real reform.

  •  Plan B: What symbol shows "I didn't do my work?" (3+ / 0-)
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    fou, Pris from LA, Wolf Of Aquarius

    Petitions are good.  Pressure is good.

    But I think they are going to go on recess.  It's like students who "get sick" on test days or days when projects are due.  Very, very few are at home studying or finishing what they haven't finished.  They're ducking the moment of decision.  They're avoiding reality.  They know they can't perform, so they pretend it's not really their fault.

    And, you know, as a teacher, I know what's going on in their heads.  It is terrifying to take a risk, even if you're prepared and the odds are in your favor.  One of the hardest things I have to do each school year is get students past the idea that it's better to not even try than to be wrong.  There is no embarrassment in failure by inaction.  Some even make a point of showing a weird form of pride in "you can't make me change, teacher."

    I bet a few Members of Congress and the Senate will blatantly show pride in their not doing anything.  Some think they figured out life while in junior high school and nothing has convinced them otherwise.

    Teachers weave straw into gold and squeeze coal into diamonds.

    by algebrateacher on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:09:30 AM PDT

  •  OUTRAGE: Sen. Baucus Killed Public Option Today (9+ / 0-)

    It was obvious from the start that he wanted the Public Option eliminated.  Now he has done it:

    According to sources familiar with negotiations on the Senate Finance committee, there is a "bipartisan" deal in the works between Baucus, Enzi and Snowe that will not include a public plan, which could pass in the next couple days.  It will include John Kerry's plan to tax insurance companies on their most expensive plans (those valued at over $25,000 a year).  

    Once a bill passes the Finance Committee, it's up to Harry Reid to reconcile it with the HELP bill.  Because Reid knows there aren't enough votes in the Senate to pass a public plan, he will not include that part of the HELP bill. Spending bills have to start in the House, so Reid will attach it as an amendment to some bill to fix potholes or something that passed the House at some point.  

    Sources indicate that this is all expected to move quickly -- although the situation is still extremely fluid, it could happen in the next few days.

    Baucus and the Blue Dogs have succeeded in killing the essential Public Option under the guise of "Bipartisanship."

    Here is the link to the entire article:

    Baucus Kills the Public Opiton in Committee

  •  ER to patient - come back after recess (4+ / 0-)

    After getting health care wrong for so long, to drag it out a little longer is just pure denial and humiliating.

    "O you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union" - Woody Guthrie from Union Maid

    by dkosdan on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:11:39 AM PDT

  •  EMPATHY, the scariest word in washington. (2+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA, c2olgos2

    our political class has once again proven how impotent it is.

    while so-called "politicians" argue over their bankrupted ideologies, outdated theories, and other irrelevant issues, that have more to do with their job security, the public is continuing to suffer. WHY DO WE VOTE FOR THESE MUPPETS ????

    time and time again, when election season comes around, politicians descend to the four corners of the country and start spraying their rhetorical diarrhea on the public. and the public EATS IT with a spoon. how fucking stupid is our culture??

    so when we get to point where important decisions have to be made, decisions that will affect the well-being of the public, these impotent, scared shitless, useless, conventional thinking politicians fail us, and we are surprised...

    we get the politicians we vote for, we get the news coverage we tune into, shit in , shit out.

    for a politician, to employ empathy, to understand how their votes/non votes actually affect peoples lives, is the scariest thing they could do.

    we just had an election. the country has made a clear choice for action. if this congress fails to produce, NON OF THEM SHOULD BE RE-ELECTED. ENOUGH ALREADY!

    STOP VOTING FOR IMPOTENT INCUMBENTS.

    not everyone in congress is a sell-out. but the vast majority is. and as such should be rejected.

    i dont know if this is a problem that start in school, where civic studies, american history, or governance are as rare as a creative thought. the public doesn't seems to understand how to work democracy, or how democracy works.

    i wish i could build a business model that is based on frustration.

  •  Am I the only person (5+ / 0-)
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    askew, sherlyle, fou, LibrErica, soms

    who tremendously enjoyed last night's presser?

    To hear Tweety et al carry on it was a massive fail.  But he wasn't talking to you talking heads.

    Remember: That which does not kill you only makes your insurance premiums go higher.

    by smileycreek on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:12:52 AM PDT

  •  85% of Canadians are happy with their Health Care (2+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA, soms

  •  If the house doesn't take recess, (5+ / 0-)

    both won't.
    So apply pressure.
    And call WH to tell the prez to threaten the congress with Article II Section 3.
    It's a little thuggish, but so what.

    Call me a/an [insert adjective here] optimist

    by soms on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:15:30 AM PDT

  •  I signed it, but I want to go for reconciliation (1+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA
    These conservadems are never going to vote with us. We need to get around them with the reconciliation process, getting as much as we can get that way.
  •  People want and need heath care reform. (2+ / 0-)
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    kanuk, Pris from LA

    The President wants to give them meaningful reform.
    Many Democrats in Congress just want to go home on break and suck their thumbs. Effing babies.
    Obama has to fight his own party members as much as he does the GOP.
    The lack of support from within his own party is appalling.
    When does Congress start listening to, and representing what the PEOPLE want?
    And, I just can't stand Harry Reid any more!

  •  I'm so effing angry! (2+ / 0-)
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    africa, Pris from LA

    And frankly I don't know if it's more because a bill won't be passed, or that Reid gave a big FU to Obama. Someone post a pootie/woozle diary stat. My blood pressure's too high!

  •  Done...FWIW... (2+ / 0-)
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    sherlyle, Pris from LA

    "...Reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." Richard Feynman

    by QuestionAuthority on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:19:59 AM PDT

  •  There's a diary currently (2+ / 0-)
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    kanuk, Pris from LA

    on the rec list in which there's is much wailing and gnashing of teeth and Reid has killed health care reform by punting work until after August.  Is this true?  I mean, I'm no fan of Harry Reid, but how steep will the hill be after the recess?

    Blagojevich/Palin '12.

    by fou on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:20:38 AM PDT

  •  This is exactly what the Obama administration (2+ / 0-)
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    had orchestrated.

    A big, choreographed "fight" followed by backing down and blaming Congress.

    And.....drum roll.....a compromise, i.e., a weak public option.

    Emanual and Axelrod are so very easy to read.

  •  an additional 4,600 will die (2+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA, JesseCW

    beyond those 1,265 in those three weeks due to the inferior level of U.S. health care, compared with other countries.  That's a total of 101,000 unnecessary American deaths -- far more than most "terrorists" could every dream of.  Yet health care isn't considered a national security issue.  Why not?

  •  Sen. Reid (1+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA

    Lead or get out of the way.

    We all don't start with zero

    by BeeClone on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:25:42 AM PDT

  •  Reid is New Democrat Coalition right-winger (2+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA, JesseCW

    From Wikipedia, describing New Democrat Coalition leaders: "Harry Reid (who recently said Democrats have to "swallow their pride" and move toward the middle)."
    With leaders like this, we would have been better electing McCain, because at least we would know what was truly going to happen. Obama has to get this guy out of power. Reid is the problem, not solution.

  •  where are the protest ?? (2+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA, BeeClone

    in any other advanced country this situation would bring MILLIONS to the street to protest the government in ability to produce what the public demands/needs.   all the MILLIONS of people who are unemployed should SWARM the capital building and cause total chaos until congress does what the people need.  they should be afraid of us, not the other way around.

    ------- 10 million unemployed march on DC ! --------

  •  obama event on-very moving (1+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA

    obama town hall on-very moving with real people and their horror stories. utterly heartbreaking
    http://www.cnn.com/...

  •  Signed. Thanks! n/t (0+ / 0-)

    They tortured people To get false confessions To fraudulently justify Invasion of Iraq!

    by Immigrant Punk on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:32:51 AM PDT

  •  Obama speaking right now (0+ / 0-)

    in Ohio, on MSNBC.

    11:30 am PST

    Remember: That which does not kill you only makes your insurance premiums go higher.

    by smileycreek on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:35:03 AM PDT

  •  Vacay? NO WAY. (0+ / 0-)

    And yes, I'm TWEETING THIS.

    Single Payer Happy Hour, returning to the LA (SFV) area 7/31/09!
    No more SPECIAL RIGHTS for HETEROSEXUALS! Equality now!

    by Pris from LA on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:35:12 AM PDT

  •  Hard to get behind the POS legislation out there. (0+ / 0-)

    It's almost...eh...let'em go on vacation. The three bills working through Congress cost another $1T on top of already wasted $2T, they don't cut costs, they increase costs. They don't provide universal coverage. They cut Medicare $500B.

    I expect Congress taking a month off and collecting million$ from industry lobbyists at fundraisers at the Congressman's fancy vacation homes is going to make them ever worse than the already are which may give Obama the out he needs. He can veto the "too little, too late" lobbyist legislation and start over with 2010 Congress sticking to real health care reform and using the 51 vote majority vs. killing reform by catering to right wing legislators.

  •  Reid's email (1+ / 0-)
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    JesseCW

    fwiw

    http://reid.senate.gov/...

    Washington phone # 202-224-3542

    already wrote him, Durban and my two Senators (Klobauchar and Franken Yay)

    "Biden's tears did more for the equality Of the sexes than Palin's presence" - Leah Renna

    by edgeways on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:41:28 AM PDT

  •  The House is where the real cowards are. (0+ / 0-)

    That's why getting HR 3200 passed there, before the GOP fully gins up its August ad campaign, is the real biggie.  Senators have six-year terms and aren't as vulnerable to GOP hammering.

    Visit http://theuptake.org/ for Minnesota news as it happens.

    by Phoenix Woman on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:46:10 AM PDT

  •  I MIGHT be swimming upstream on this (0+ / 0-)

    but technically the summer recess is NOT a vacation, it's where the senators go home to meet with their constituents and work on their state issues.  It might not be so bad to have the senators in their offices and us with picket signs out fronts.  Wyden certainly couldn't look outside and see us protesting or delivering petitions when he was in Washington.  I might write a diary about this.

    I bet Obama smells like warm cookies, fresh from the oven.

    by dancerat on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:28 AM PDT

  •  I know nothing about how this works . . . (0+ / 0-)

    And maybe this is stupid.  But I'll take the chance and throw this question out anyway:

    Is there any way that we can get the tv stations to air Michael Moore's Sicko during the Congressional recess?  It is such a powerful movie and quite appropos right now.  People who haven't seen it need to.  I would love for the local stations to show it.  But I'll settle for cable or even PBS.  But again, folks need to see it and understand in real, human, and personal terms what he are fighting for here.

    GOP: We need more cowbell!

    by cameo on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:37 AM PDT

  •  No point to petitions, time for street cred (0+ / 0-)

    We're beyond the point for petitions. It's time to schedule a national strike and a massive personal visit to the halls of Congress.

    Let's fill the Mall right up to the steps of the Capitol.

  •  By the way, BO on fire at his town hall (4+ / 0-)

    He's clearly annoyed by the talk of delay, and at the Repugs.

    Good for him.

  •  link to Obama's speech and excerpts below (0+ / 0-)

    full text link to Obama's remarks in Ohio today

    my only concern is the people who sent us there: the families feeling the pain of this recession; the folks I've met across this country who have lost jobs and savings and health insurance, but haven't lost hope; the citizens who defied the cynics and the skeptics - who went to the polls to demand real and lasting change. This change was the cause of my campaign, and it is the cause of my presidency.

    When my administration came into office, we were facing the worst economy since the Great Depression...

     These stories are the first thing I think about in the morning and the last thing I think about at night - and the focus of my attention every day

     And we are pursuing health insurance reform so that every American has access to quality, affordable health coverage.

    I want to be clear: reform isn't just about the nearly 46 million Americans without health insurance. Though I realize that with all the charges and criticisms being thrown around in Washington, many Americans may be wondering, "How does my family, or my business, stand to benefit from health insurance reform? What's in this for me?"

    If you already have health insurance, the reform we're proposing will give you more security

    You won't have to worry about receiving a surprise bill in the mail, because we'll limit the amount your insurance company can force you to pay out of your own pocket.

    You won't have to worry about pre-existing conditions, because never again will anyone in America be denied coverage because of a previous illness or injury.

    We have estimated that two-thirds of the cost of reform to bring health care security to every American can be paid for by reallocating money that is simply being wasted in federal health care programs.

    That's something Rick and his wife are very familiar with.

     And the Republican Party chair, seeking to stall our efforts, recently went so far as to say that health insurance reform was happening "too soon."

    I thought that was a little odd. We've been talking about health reform since the days of Harry Truman, and he's saying reform is coming too soon. Too soon?

    I don't think it's too soon for the families who've seen their premiums rise faster than wages year after year.

    It's not too soon for the businesses forced to drop coverage or shed workers because of mounting health care expenses.

    It's not too soon for taxpayers asked to close widening deficits that stem from rising health care costs, costs that threaten to leave our children with a mountain of debt.

    Reform may be coming too soon for some in Washington, but it's not soon enough for the American people.

    We can do this. For this nation never shrinks from a challenge

  •  Harry Reid - Worst Democratic Majority Leader (0+ / 0-)

    EVER.  Harry has got to go in '10.  Time for a retirement party for Harry.

    Indict, convict, imprison. "Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

    by incognita on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 12:23:56 PM PDT

  •  not a senate - a HOUSE OF LORDS (0+ / 0-)

    we dont have a senate unless you think that caligulas senate was a real senate...  I say we nominate a HORSE to replace Harry Reid!

    "in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." mark twain

    by KnotIookin on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 12:24:09 PM PDT

  •  There is reform and there's the public option (0+ / 0-)

    Top Ten Reasons the Public Plan is a Bait and Switch

    1. It leaves in place the deficient employer based model.    As the National Organization for Women noted in their single payer endorsement  (July 7, 2009) of the only viable reform model, single payer, many Americans are tied to jobs they don’t like because of the antiquated employer based insurance model.  For those switching from one job to another, those wanting to go on strike, those wanting to quit a job, etc. it prevents the ability to move freely as a laborer.
    1. It leaves private insurance, a major contributor to administrative inefficiency and bloated bureaucracy, in charge of health care decisions.
    1. It only results in about 10% of the savings that would accrue were single payer to be enacted.  That’s assuming 50% of Americans can enroll---an optimistic figure (Jacob Hacker’s assumption that Congress has drastically scaled back to a tiny plan).   Since hospitals and doctors will still have to deal with 1300 insurance companies little savings will result by adding a public option, reports Dr. Don McCanne of the Physicians for a National Health Plan, March 26, 2009, www.pnhp.org.   24% of hospital budgets go to billings (only 12% in Canada) and this wouldn’t change under any version of the public option.   As Drs. Steffie Woolhander and David Himmelstein note, the bureaucratic savings of the public plan option "would be miniscule". (The New York Times, Room For Debate, June 18, 2009).,,
    1. It does not pay for itself, unlike single payer, requiring a huge tax increase.   As the State Legislators for Single Payer Healthcare (including initiating sponsor WI State Sen. Mark Miller) note there is "no increase in total health care spending" with single payer.   Instead of everybody in, nobody out, an inclusive approach based on solidarity, public option pits the wealthy against poor, taxing the rich to provide subsidies to help poor people buy overpriced, insufficient private health insurance.   In the mainstream media this is being framed as the liberals taxing the rich for their liberal plan to force everyone into big government care, when In reality, the tax proposal would be used to shore up the private insurance system, giving them more customers and higher profits.    In her June 24 Congressional testimony, Dr. Woolhander estimated that it will cost 200 billion annually to pay for health insurance costs for those who cannot afford it.   That’s a much larger tax increase on the wealthy.
    1. It becomes part of the same failed private model: co pays, deductibles, denials of some necessary procedures, services and medications.   Coverage and benefits will be similar to the private plans due to inability to control costs.  (see no. 3)   "The ‘Public Plan Option’: Myths and Facts available at www.pnhp.org and see the excellent analysis , "Health Care Reform 2009: A Train Wreck in Slow Motion by Dr. John Geyman, July 21, 2009 available at www.pnhp.org/blog.
    1. It leaves millions uninsured.     Mandates have already failed in states where it has been tried, mostly recently in Massachusetts.    And, the model for a health insurance exchange, the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program leaves hundreds of thousands of federal workers uninsured, and does not control costs (Nicholas Skala, Congressional Progressive Caucus testimony, June 4, 2009).
    1. It Segregates patients into two groups: health patients who will be aggressively pursued by insurance companies and sicker/older patients who will end up in the public plan.   The public plan will not make private insurers honest.   Private insurers compete by denying (necessary coverage).  The public plan will either emulate this model, or quickly go under as it becomes overburdened by the sicker, older patients, reports Dr. Woolhander (June 24 House Subcommittee on House Energy and Commerce).
    1. Projected savings claimed by Wisconsin Citizen Action (based on a Lewin group study of Hacker’s original PO proposal) are not based on historical trends with public option plans that have already failed in every state where they have been tried.   (see Wisconsin Cost Savings under National Health Care Reform by Dr. Robert Kraig available at citizenactionwi.org) The HMO-Medicare history shows that public plans do not keep private insurers "honest".   "A quarter century of experience with public/private competition in the Medicare program demonstrates that the private plans will not allow a level playing field."   The Public Option Con, www.pnhp.org
    1. Private insurers will still continue to deny claims and as a result, a major issue, bankruptcy due to health costs will remain unaddressed.   In their June 2008 endorsement of single payer, the U.S. Conference of Mayors noted that "millions with insurance have coverage so inadequate that a major illness would lead to financial ruin."  www.usmayors.org/resolutions/76th_conference/chhs_03.asp
    1. The public option will not provide choice of provider unlike single payer since the public option will need to appeal to providers to obtain services.   "Patients will still have a limited choice of provider restricted by networks" as a Physicians for a National Health Program fact sheet states.

    "The ‘Public Plan Option’: Myths and Facts available at www.pnhp.org

    "I happen to be a proponent of a single payer health care program." Pres. Goldman Sachs Obama, 6/30/03

    by formernadervoter on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 12:25:17 PM PDT

  •  I'll sign on... (0+ / 0-)

    when members of Congress sign on.  Until then, like members of Congress and our idiot president, I have health insurance I like, and I couldn't be happier knowing that this bill is tabled.  It will give people a chance to actually read it and see how much more you have to lose, instead of how much you'll gain.  Health insurance, not to be confused with health care, can be given to those who need it, but shouldn't be forced down the throats of those who are happy with what they have.  Regardless of what the goon in the White House says, we ALL will lose our private insurance, AS THE BILL IS WRITTEN.

  •  Make it personal (0+ / 0-)

    Someone may have stated this already and if that's the case I appologize in advance. Can someone with connections in the traditional media get them to make getting this done personal. I'm old enough to remember that people didn't pay attention to the civil rights movement until the pictures out of Selma and Montgomery were seen by everyone. Bull Connor became a name discussed at the dinner table and it wasn't in a good way. People need to see the flesh attached to the idea. We all enjoy the watching the sausage making, but we need the everyday families that are being affected by doing nothing. I know that there are many people here who can explain this much better than I, but I felt like this needed to be added to the discussion.

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